What happened at the meeting on April 8th?

Friends of Emersons Green Park

Record of meeting held in the Jefferies Room, Village Hall at 6pm, 8th April 2014

 

Present:

Martin Cooney, Tony Flood, Joy Flood, Margaret Boon, Julie Braybrooke, Brian Braybrooke, Cllr Dave Kearns, Cllr Colin Hunt, John Morris (South Glos), Simon Penfold (Arboriculturalist), Lee Hayward (Groundsman) Neville Wooding, David Barker, Sue Andrew, Chris Sunderland (Chair)

 

Minutes: Chris Sunderland opened the meeting by saying that the recent works had caused many people to think about the park. Many different types of people used the park and various opinions had been expressed. The Friends group was being set up to ensure that the park is maintained as a place of natural beauty which all its varied users can enjoy, to keep people in touch with what is going on in the park, to provide a means of consultation with South Glos about developments in the park and to generally encourage community life in Emersons Green. These aims were accepted without discussion by the group. He then invited John Morris to explain the rationale behind the recent work.

 

John Morris said that 25 of the Council’s parks were maintained by the Council with the help of Friends of the Parks groups.  He then explained that, in Emersons Green original development, the attenuation ponds were incorporated as part of the drainage scheme. The ponds were designed to deal with a 1 in 100 year flooding event.  Maintenance of these areas had not been done consistently, resulting in silting up of the channels.  The recent major works had been necessary to remove vegetation, but unfortunately completion had been stopped by bad weather.  The Council plan to restart the work in late July (this will include the pond area behind the garage). The area once re-established will be subject to twice yearly conservation cuts and a 10 year maintenance cycle regarding silt removal.

It was queried why stumps had been poisoned where trees had been removed.  Simon Penfold said this was to prevent regrowth below anticipated water levels.

 

Chris questioned the nature of the work that had been done, whether it needed to be quite so drastic and felt that the trees and vegetation would have a minimal effect on water levels.  There had been a lack of real consultation regarding the nature and extent of the work.  Certain trees had been removed inexplicably near the wooden bridge.

 

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One issue that had been raised by several people concerned the stagnant stream running under the wooden footbridge. A former resident of Emersons Green lane had told Chris that the now stagnant stream had flowed well before the original Emersons Green development took place and wondered if alterations to drainage have occurred since that time. There appears to be foul water entering the system. John Morris has flagged this to be investigated by the Environment agency.

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The adjacent culvert and ditch carry a lot of water in times of heavy rain and the bank is deeply scoured. SGC have also identified this area as a health and safety risk and fencing work will be carried out in the next 2/3 weeks.

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Future management issues

There was an original plan for areas of wild flowers in the park, which was never properly executed. It was proposed that this be reinstated, but it may be that the soil is not currently suitable. The substantial regrowth of nettles and docks already taking place indicates a soil that may be too nutrient rich for wild flowers.

 

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Consultations between the Friends and the Council would be very important to select areas to be improved which would not be damaged by future de-silting. Some areas could be seeded with wildflowers and others with bulbs – or a mixture, and planting carried out at the edge of the ponds. It was pointed out that rushes would need to be controlled as they slow the flow of water and encourage silt deposits (one Friend immediately declared herself willing to don waders).

 

In the future it is hoped that children/schools can use the ponds for pond dipping and nature walks.

 

Friends will be covered by SGC insurance when group is formally constituted. Chris said he understood this process and could take it forward.

 

Councillor Hunt said that grants were available for Friends organisations.

 

Other issues

 

Martin Cooney raised the issue of council vans making ruts in the grass. The principle cause of this is a bollard placed without consultation as part of the new cycle track works, meaning council maintenance vehicles go over the grass. The bollard is to be removed shortly. Lee Hayward explained that some parking on grass occurred because it was necessary to leave space for pushchairs and wheelchairs on the paths. David Barker suggested the possibility of hardstandings for this purpose.

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It was pointed out that the muddy tracks encouraged youngsters to take motorbikes ‘off road’.

 

It was queried whether the dog bins were going to be removed. Councillor Hunt said that the responsibility for dog bins had been taken over by the Parish Council.

Signs on the dog bins have worn away and new clear signs were requested – it was suggested that Friends contact the Streetcare Dog Warden for signs.

 

A request was also made for an additional litter bin at the Langley Arms end of the park.

 

It was felt that cyclists ride too quickly in the park and are a hazard to other park users. Various types of signs were suggested to address this but nothing agreed at this stage.

 

Sainsbury’s trolleys have been dumped in ditches in the park. Councillor Hunt said that Sainsbury’s hire a company, Trolleywise, to collect escaped trolleys each week. Trolleys can be notified to Sainsbury’s directly for them to arrange collection or to StreetCare.

 

Post meeting note: The litter pickers feel that Sainsbury’s should be responsible for their trolleys. They have an excellent trolley gatherer named Clive who regularly patrols to remove stray trolleys. Please inform Sainsbury’s and Clive will retrieve trolleys or Trolleywise will be notified.

 

During a brief post meeting walk around the park Lee Hayward agreed that the area exposed by the tree and shrub removal required a concentrated litter pick and agreed to arrange this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Friends of Park meeting on April 8th – also news about the orchard

Hi All

This is to confirm that our meeting this Tuesday April 8th is going ahead. We shall be joined by officers  and at least one Councillor from South Gloucestershire Council, including a tree specialist and groundsman. The meeting is at 6pm in the Jefferies Room of the Village Hall, Emersons Green

The proposed agenda is:

  1. Introduction and welcome (Chair)
  2. Recent works in the park, rationale and practice – John Morris, Simon Penfold, Lee Hayward, from South Glos council and Councillor Colin Hunt
  3. Questions and comments from members regarding recent works,
  4. Future management of the park, John Morris, Simon Penfold, Lee Hayward, Councillor Colin Hunt
  5. Questions and comments about future management
  6. Current and potential initiatives regarding the park that members are interested in pursuing
  7. Any other items that members would like to raise
  8. Walk around the park with the officers for those who would like to ( approx 7pm)

 Also for those who might be interested:

Our Emersons Green Community Orchard Group meets for our first work session this coming Saturday 12th April at 10am. If you would like to join us and find out more about this venture, please come.

You can see more details about the project and its history at http://www.emersonsgreencommunityorchard.wordpress.com

Inaugural meeting – April 8th

This is to announce that we have decided to hold an inaugural meeting of the Friends of Emersons Green Park on Tuesday April 8th at 6pm in the Jefferies Room, Village Hall.

We have invited John Morris and other South Glos officers, who have a particular role in maintaining the park, so that we can ask questions about recent work, put our various points of view and get a better understanding about plans for future management.

We may also take a walk around the Park together with the South Glos folk at around 7pm if people would like to do this.

Please come if you would like to, but feel under no obligation. If you prefer just to be kept up  to date with what is going on by these messages, that is all good. The more people that know and care about what is going on in the Park the better.

On that tack, it is great to see the mud at the North end of the Park being removed so speedily. We should now see some regrowth there as Spring sets in.

 

So what is happening?

IMG_0109It was worrying to hear that the desilting works have been put back to the autumn, because the few days work that were done on the pond at the North End have made such a mess. It also seems that silt has to lie about for months to ‘dewater’ before it is taken away. The upshot of this is that it seems that the Park is going to look a serious mess for the foreseeable future. The present mud must lie until the summer. If works begin again in the Autumn as planned then we will have mud lying all next winter. This means that the Park will not get back to anything like a good state for more than a year. This feels like a serious loss of amenity.

IMG_0115Thanks for your comments so far. The stagnant ditch pictured here is clearly a concern. I gather it is not a proper stream but just drains from houses in the lane.

Some people are also worried about the tyre tracks appearing on the edge of the path particularly at the rise on the way to the shopping centre where it may be that the council van is taking a short cut rather than removing the bollard. Again – picture here.

IMG_0119I am wondering if you would  like us to host a public meeting to hear some response from South Glos to the various concerns? I realise that there are different opinions about it all, but it would allow us to listen to one another and get more detail on what is planned. What do you think? I will call one if you want it.

Chris

Welcome to new members and news about desilting works

DSCF2822Hallo everyone who has joined Friends of Emersons Green Park. You should get an email to alert you to this post when I publish it. Here’s hoping! I am no expert at this.

Friends will be interested to hear this news, just released by South Glos Council.

Message extract begins …“We will be starting the second phase of our operation next week, on Monday 10 February.  We estimate that the volume of silt to be removed is approx 710m3. The operation for de-silting will be as follows:-

  1. Excavate silt from ponds and stockpile on land adjacent to the ponds to allow for dewatering.
  2. Fence off stockpiles with Herras fencing whilst water drains out.
  3. Reinstate areas and tidy up site.
  4. Summer months revisit site to remove dried out silt.
  5. Use excavator to load dumper.
  6. Dumper to convey silt to lorries and load using JCB 3CX or similar.
  7. Lorries to dispose at licensed tip.
  8. Reinstate and tidy up site.

 Site notices will be erected this week informing visitors of the scheduled works.” …Message ends

My Comment: It looks like it might be hard to make the place look good this year. We will have to see what the piles of silt look like surrounded by Heras fencing. Here is a picture of Heras fencing.

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I had hoped we might sow some wild flowers in Spring. This might still be possible. All ideas and comments very welcome. Chris